The Chat with the Director of pa1mOne, a success
Author: Ricardo Hernández
Monday January 24 of 2005
The Chat session (edited)
Miguel Hernández: “We recognize the tremendous work and the effort of the whole group, we know that what you have made during this time plays an important paper in that we reach our more important goal that is the one of creating a culture of mobile computation in our country and in our region, latinoamerica.
Really, many thanks to all, in particular to Abe, Ricardo, Samuel, for the support during this time.”
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[19:51] <Miguel> Hello to all, good night
[19:52] <TaYo> Hello miguel
[19:52] <Aegis_Focker> that such a good ones
[19:52] <maggy> good night
[19:53] <ScoutBuck> those that want to know a little but about the Engineer Miguel Hernández, pa1mOne Director
[19:54] <jccr> That such a miguel
[19:54] <Miguel> Hello JCCR, good night
[19:55] <jccr> Miguel single two very simple questions
[19:55] <jccr> when it leaves the treo 650 in méxico and to that price approximate?
[19:55] <palmaggita> oh hard and direct
[19:56] <ScoutBuck> being 8 in the night
[19:56] <ScoutBuck> we begin the first chat
[19:56] <ScoutBuck> with a deluxe guest
[19:56] <ScoutBuck> the Engineer Miguel Hernández, pa1mOne Director Mexico
[19:56] <awimmx> we will make a voting in all the Hispapug and we buy an entire lot for q they give us good I price jejeje
[19:57] <ScoutBuck> already several months ago Miguel us dió an interview
[19:57] <ScoutBuck> that by the way is one of the 24 notes but read in PdaMéxico
[19:57] <ScoutBuck> they can read there a little but on him
[19:57] <ScoutBuck> in https://www.pasionmovil.com/content/view/476 /
[19:58] <ScoutBuck> Miguel, I thank you the support that you offer us
[19:58] <Miguel> thanks to all you Richard
[19:58] <ScoutBuck> and to give us the opportunity to the users of having a direct contact
[19:58] <Miguel> it is a pleasure
[19:58] <awimmx> if thank you
[19:59] <ScoutBuck> if you want Miguel, you can begin
[19:59] <ScoutBuck> and when you indicate us
[19:59] <ScoutBuck> we begin with the questions
[19:59] <Miguel> Thank you Ricardo…
[19:59] <Miguel> First, I want to thank to all
[19:59] <Miguel> for the support that you/they have given to Palm (palmOne now)….
[19:59] <Miguel> during so many years…
[19:59] <Miguel> for those that we work in palmOne
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[20:01] <Miguel> so we can begin when you. consider it appropriate…
[20:01] <Miguel> he/she comes the first question…
[20:01] <awimmx> and to you already q without the vision q has had of taking the tecnology until the palm of the hand we would not be here
[20:01] <ScoutBuck> then we begin with the spreguntas
[20:02] <awimmx> I believe q the first question of many of us it is the launching of the Treo 650
[20:02] <awimmx> you would rot us languages on a dear price
[20:02] <Miguel> With pleasure…
[20:03] <Miguel> Like they know, these convergent products of the family Treo…
[20:03] <Miguel> they depend in good measure of the negotiations and arrangements with…
[20:03] <Miguel> the operators that proveedn the service…
[20:03] <Miguel> in
[20:03] <Miguel> it is Telcel…
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[20:03] <Miguel> estamospor to begin the “approval” process
[20:04] <Miguel> what siginifica that you grieve the formal technical tests will begin
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[20:04] <Miguel> the version GSM of the Treo 650…
[20:04] <Miguel> not yet it is totally concluded…
[20:04] <Miguel> the version CDMA is available laúnica, for the time being in it USES
[20:04] <Miguel> Our expectation is to present in Mex and Lat…
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[20:05] <Miguel> The $, good….
[20:05] <Miguel> it is something that is not still definitive, but deberiaestar on
[20:05] <Miguel> the same levels with those that we begin with Treo 600
[20:05] <Miguel> aprox 600 usd without service (more taxes) and…
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[20:06] <Miguel> it is this way…
[20:06] <I Read> Which the position of PalmOne is before the applications or alterations of
[20:06] <I Read> Hardware that you/they allow the User functions that are not to explode
[20:06] <do I Read> included of it manufactures, as the case of the Zire Movie Maker and the Hack to the Treo?
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[20:07] <Miguel> laplataforma is an open platform…
[20:08] <Miguel> he/she has great computation power and….
[20:08] <Miguel> the most important value that offers, is that he/she adapts…
[20:08] <Miguel> to the necessities of uestros users…
[20:08] <Miguel> so, if there is some application that you/they consider important
[20:08] <Miguel> for their own benefit and, it is not included of factory}
[20:09] <Miguel> the only recommendation is that they make sure that it is 100 compatible%
[20:09] <Miguel> to avoid complications more adelate
[20:09] <TaYo> THAT IS TO SAY that if I take out a controller of the card Wi-fi for the treo 600 they won’t demand me?
[20:09] <Miguel> mmmm…. that it is more difficult of answering jajajaj
[20:10] <Miguel> the topic of the “copyright” is… but if it works you
[20:10] <Miguel> it is perfect…
[20:10] <jccr> Miguel some accessory exists to be able to incorporate bluetooh to the treo 600?
[20:10] <maxtOr> when the will come out YOU COBALT? and will it be possible to put to all the palm that system without problems of compatibility?
[20:10] <Miguel> Not that I know personally but…
[20:11] <I Read> Thank you for the answer Miguel… although the matter of “gutting” teams doesn’t believe that it is of the p1 pleasure or if??
[20:11] <jccr> miguel but??
[20:12] <Miguel> pardon, seems that Leo’s question continued open
[20:13] <Miguel> do we finish Leo and do we continue with the JCCR, do you agree Richard?
[20:14] <Miguel> Then… he/she said… Leo,si is corecto or not to gut a team
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[20:14] <I Read> TO the one that brings of it manufactures
[20:15] <Miguel> in fact, while the royalties are respected, one can
[20:15] <ScoutBuck> Miguel> to gut = to open a device
[20:15] <Miguel> to play with the platform, that it is the end of the same one, but again,
[20:15] <Miguel> we remember that there is SW protected by their author…
[20:15] <Miguel> Now, JCCR, we said
[20:15] <Miguel> it has more than enough BT and Treo 600
[20:15] <ScoutBuck> of agreement
[20:15] <Miguel> I have seen hardware very interesting BT, developer for third for equipois like
[20:15] <Miguel> the iPod
[20:15] <Miguel> so he/she would not doubt that a terceo developed the same one…
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[20:15] <Miguel> provided, any royalty is not violated (the drivers of the card WiFi)
[20:16] <Miguel> porotegidos are
[20:16] <ScoutBuck> does jccr refer to the bluetooth?
[20:16] <Miguel> there is not problem in gutting him, but respecting those right deautor again
[20:16] <jccr> it is this way
[20:16] <Miguel> no, wing question of Leo
[20:16] <Miguel> with regard to BT…
[20:16] <Miguel> I have not seen even none for T600
[20:17] <ScoutBuck> <maxtOr> when the will come out YOU COBALT? and will it be possible to put to all the palm that system without problems of compatibility?
[20:17] <Miguel> good night jccr
[20:17] <Miguel> we take the maxt0r question
[20:18] <Miguel> Cobalt is being evaluated by palmOne…
[20:18] <Miguel> the SDK was already liberated a good time ago by palmsource
[20:18] <Miguel> and the same as us, we are evaluating it for the integration in our teams
[20:18] <Miguel> the detail is that given those…
[20:19] <Miguel> changes in the YOU, it is necessary reescribir some…
[20:19] <Miguel> of the basic applications as “Calendar”, for example
[20:19] <Miguel> so not yet have an immediate date for the integration of
[20:19] <Miguel> Cobalt in a palmOne team
[20:19] <Miguel> about the compatibility…
[20:20] <Miguel> it is difficult to know it, at least at the hw level
[20:20] <maxtOr> do I have a TT3 if I change him the YOU to the cobalt and if in case not outside of my pleasure rots to return him to the anterio, without any problem type??
[20:20] <Miguel> seemingly there won’t be problems with the most recent teams
[20:20] <Miguel> but it is difficult so much adelanterse…
[20:21] <Miguel> does the maxt0r question respond?
[20:21] <ScoutBuck> and is it known that teams will be able to be climbed?, was it said that the TT3, is this true?
[20:22] <Miguel> there still is not a formal communication Richard
[20:22] <TaYo> Pardon that puts my tablespoon but he/she wanted to know nothing else recapturing the question of I read something that I didn’t have left very clear… How can I know what you leave of hardware they are protected by the industrial right and which not?
[20:22] <Miguel> serious premature to assert what teams
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[20:22] <Miguel> usually the makers of HW or developers of SW…
[20:23] <Miguel> they indicate it in the use license… on some doubt…
[20:23] <Miguel> matter, the best thing would be to contact direct to that maker.
[20:23] <maxtOr> do I have a TT3 if I change him the YOU to the cobalt and if in case not outside of my pleasure rots to return him to the anterio, without any problem type??
[20:23] <palmaggita> do I have two questions, is the first one Because it is necessary to make tests in the treo 650?, is it maybe the gsm of the treo 650 different from the 600 or gsm was not the 600?
[20:24] <Miguel> maxt0r: at least with previous teams, when migrabas of 3.XX at 4.XXX was not possible
[20:24] <Miguel> that returned of version, non spe like work in cobalt
[20:25] <palmaggita> Because it is necessary to make tests in the treo 650?, is it maybe the gsm of the treo 650 different from the 600 or gsm was not the 600?
[20:25] <Miguel> yes, the radius and different
[20:25] <Miguel> different maker of the radius gsm…
[20:25] <palmaggita> Although it sounds half disheveled, will some day Be possible the treo comes out 600 in friend kid? As well as then they do leave other teams that first they leave in plan?
[20:26] <Miguel> because it is a plan that we have already proposed to telcel…
[20:26] <Miguel> there are some doubts and restlessness so much commercial as technical on behalf of telcel,
[20:26] <palmaggita> does deellos depend then?
[20:26] <Miguel> but definitively it is something that we will continue pushing and, I am
[20:26] <ScoutBuck> if there is Treo 600 in friend kit
[20:26] <Miguel> for sure we will be successful…
[20:28] <ScoutBuck> <Leo> In the face of the growth that approaches in the market of the Personal Assistants, PalmOne does have some action plan as for Support, distribution, publicity?
[20:29] <Miguel> if, definitively
[20:29] <Miguel> we have a plan or marketing strategy that it includes all those topics
[20:29] <Miguel> the support is a function of the number of sold units
[20:30] <Miguel> and the distribution topic is related with the dimension of the market
[20:30] <Miguel> to the one that we are arriving or seeking to arrive
[20:30] <Miguel> the publicity is included among our activities of sale point
[20:30] <Miguel> demand generation, etc.
[20:32] <TaYo> why don’t they give him the importance that deserves to the small distributor, if it is the palmone image before the final user? I am certain that many users base their purchase decision however on the consultantship that you/they are given here in azimuth, 01acaban buying in sanborns because I cannot compete with those prices
[20:33] <TaYo> it is excellent for the final user to be able to buy an accessory in 47 pesos, but those that we are devoted to this cannot compete with that price
[20:34] <Miguel> if, I agree totally
[20:34] <TaYo> When the wholesaler gives us in 300 pesos an accessory that you get in sanborns in 47
[20:34] <Miguel> in fact, there are strategies that correspond to each sale channel
[20:34] <Miguel> and, specifically the case that you mention
[20:35] <Miguel> it is a case in the one that this chain that determines their own margins
[20:35] <Miguel> he/she takes to position a product for seasons you specify
[20:35] <Miguel> it is not that I complain that they make it, but
[20:35] <TaYo> AND pardon if it sounds very displeased but for example the certification program is very but very slow… they gave me my result in December and one doesn’t still swim of the certification of reseller pro
[20:35] <Miguel> The program of reseller pro is to be relanzado TaYo
[20:35] <Miguel> we are renovating the benefits so much
[20:36] <Miguel> as the activities, materials, etc.
[20:36] <Miguel> the basic idea is that there is an offer differed for the channel of reseller pro
[20:36] <Miguel> vs that of retail,
[20:36] <Miguel> it is necessary to consider that the value that he/she offers the retail is
[20:36] <Miguel> the readiness and, that of the specialized channel, is in fact their capacity
[20:37] <Miguel> to deepen in the necessities of the cliente/usuario
[20:37] <ScoutBuck> <awimmx> Palmone can negotiate with telcel so that the teams q they manage they are not blocked to be able to them to use with another operator like Telefónica
[20:38] <TaYo> in fact… I feel that they have abandoned the specialized projects a little to favor to the big retails
[20:39] <Miguel> the teams with simlock, are specific requirements of the operators
[20:39] <Miguel> since the operator will put a subsidy in the team
[20:39] <Miguel> the only form of recovering it is by means of the service to medium term
[20:40] <ScoutBuck> <Montalvo> Miguel, good night, Samuel Montalvo from
[20:40] <Miguel> if they open that door to the user, they would simply be losing money…
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[20:40] <Miguel> to buy a team and, not to use the subsidy of the operator
[20:40] <Miguel> then, he/she can buy an unblocked team and,
[20:40] <Miguel> to use a sim of any operator.
[20:40] <Miguel> most of the teams that we sell in
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[20:43] <Miguel> we also have unblocked teams…
[20:43] <Miguel> via our wholesalers or some retail channels.
[20:44] <ScoutBuck> <Montalvo> Miguel, good night, Samuel Montalvo from
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[20:45] <Miguel> My personal opinion is that they make a mistake…
[20:46] <Miguel> to tell the truth… we like to have an integrated team
[20:47] <Miguel> but the reality is that… a smartphone sacrifices functionality for size
[20:47] <ScoutBuck> he/she had fallen massive
20:47] <Miguel> and a PDA to the inverse one…
20:48] <Miguel> to say that the pda’s is dead completely would be as
20:48] <Miguel> to say that the pc’s had died… that by the way.,.. the analysts the dihjeron
[20:48] <Miguel> many times in the past but…
[20:48] <Miguel> then new applications arose: internet, multimedia, etc… and the pc’s market
[20:48] <Miguel> it continues growing, evolving.., and, that is in fact it that palmOne you
[20:48] <Miguel> he/she intends to make: to evolve the market, to make it to rotate and to grow, with
[20:48] <Miguel> new applications and uses.
[20:48] <Miguel> Soon you will see, Samuel, new concepts, not single products, in this sense.
[20:48] <Miguel> is Samuel’s question answered?
[20:49] <ScoutBuck> <tlaxcala> which is the palm politics for the education, that is to say that pruenas, investigations supports or discounts have for teachers or schools
[20:50] <Miguel> a global program Exists for support to this segment tlaxcala
[20:50] <Miguel> at local level, what we have made
[20:50] <Miguel> it has been to concentrate on institutions of superior level
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[20:50] <Miguel> with programs of combined participation
[20:51] <Miguel> as competitions of development of applications and the donation of teams
[20:51] <Miguel> we also have some integrative ones (distribuiudores) with special focus in the segment
[20:51] <Miguel> with specialized applications
[20:52] <Miguel> if you had some necessity or idea in particular, the one can also discuss with a lot of pleasure
[20:52] <ScoutBuck> <Leo> has The Pug’s stopped to be single groups of users to become a source of knowledge in the operating system Spans, and are they even gratuitous Support for many users which the Idea that PalmOne has on these groups is?, have they thought of some support type or promotion?
[20:54] <Miguel> if, of several types in fact…
[20:54] <Miguel> we have chatted with Samuel and Ricardo, in the case of
[20:54] <Miguel> and we have reached agreements to share information
[20:54] <Miguel> it has more than enough launchings of products or other important news
[20:55] <Miguel> and, more recently, you devise to be able to put to disposition of the members of the group
[20:55] <Miguel> teams with preferential conditions, like price or readiness
[20:55] <Miguel> I am not ahead a lot, but if I tell them that they will have news later on…
[20:55] <Miguel> on this type of mutual supports.
[20:56] <ScoutBuck> it is with regard to the software that you commented
[20:56] <ScoutBuck> Maggy is in the educational sector and he/she wants to know where to get it
[20:56] <Miguel> ok…
[20:57] <Miguel> a good source to begin is the global place of palmOne}
[20:58] <ScoutBuck> <maguilerac> will it take out palmone soon some palm of the economic calls with BT?
[20:58] <Miguel> and if there is some application (generalemnet is of third)
[20:58] <Miguel> then we can address them with the appropriate contact
[20:58] <Miguel> mmm…. there are plans… alone I can say that, although for the current costs…
[20:59] <Miguel> it is not in the short, short term, but definitively yes.
[20:59] <ScoutBuck> <bvb> he/she wanted to ask about the possibility palmone to provide us a roadmap of products type those that it publishes AMD, Intel, or the makers of processors
[20:59] <ScoutBuck> <bvb> or printers or the own micrsoft
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[21:01] <Miguel> classified as confidential, speaking in a general way
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[21:02] <Miguel> we can make something provided there is some reason of business
[21:02] <Miguel> that requires this way it, in this case, which serious the specific necessity BvB, because we can assist her
[21:02] <Miguel> also in some other way.
[21:06] <Miguel> in the case of TT3, our new model TT5 is a more competitive product in terms of functionality and price
[21:07] <ScoutBuck> <palmaggita> will some team that substitutes to the tc come out?
[21:08] <ScoutBuck> <TaYo> he/she Wanted to ask another question in relation to the new products… is it true that the Tungsten C descontinuada is already? and if it is this way, as soon as time will have a new product of characteristic similar that substitutes it?
[21:09] <Miguel> there will Be products with integrated WiFi, if, and it is also the option of the card available WiFi for Zire72, TT3 and TT5
[21:11] <ScoutBuck> <Montalvo> he/she Asks: “PalmOne this aware one that a black market that Treos distributes without guarantee exists neither support? That opinion has of it? Which the official posture is? “
[21:11] <Miguel> if, we know it
[21:12] <Miguel> we have raked some products for the serial number
[21:12] <Miguel> definitively we don’t support him and inclusive, if it is “illegal” teams, we would be
[21:12] <Miguel> looking for to brake it
[21:13] <Miguel> in the case of Treo600, like it happens with many cellular products
21:13] <Miguel> it is very frequent that the traffic of those teams is given from a country to another
[21:13] <Miguel> for the palmaggita question it has more than enough education…
[21:14] <Miguel> http://www.palmone.com/us/solutions/personal/dayinthelife/teacher.html
[21:14] <Miguel> http://www.palmone.com/us/solutions/personal/dayinthelife/student.html
21:15] <ScoutBuck> <Montalvo> he/she Asks: “Speaking of the competition. Doesn’t PalmOne that its products meet with prices above similar of the competition consider? A case specifies, Dell has a PDA with WiFi,
[21:15] <Miguel> That topic represents an entire challenge for us…
[21:18] <Miguel> our business is totally the mobility… that of Dell or HP not, in fact
[21:18] <Miguel> it is hardly a small part of their business, however, it is beneficiary
[21:18] <Miguel> for a subsidy anchored by other business units
[21:18] <Miguel> but the positive side is that…
21:20] <Miguel> the business have to be profitable…
[21:20] <Miguel> the strategy of market purchase is not sustainable in the long term
[21:20] <Miguel> and in bought nuestroi we have seen to players like sony, toshiba, casio, phillips… etc
[21:20] <Miguel> to leave the market when they have not been able to even be positioned after spending a lot of money
[21:20] <Miguel> to coast of losing the profitability of that negocioi
[21:20] <Miguel> palmOne, on the contrary,
21:20] <Miguel> it has shown a solid advance in what concerns to the global finances of the compa{ia.
21:20] <Miguel> because we already have today products that begin from the 1300 pesos (as the Z21)
[21:20] <Miguel> that offer the same functionality to more accessible prices
[21:20] <Miguel> and, yes, as the technologies mature and the costs are stabilized
[21:20] <Miguel> we can offer more advanced products to better prices
[21:21] <ScoutBuck> <Montalvo> he/she Asks: “Miguel Hernandez, besides Director of PalmOne
[21:22] <Miguel> mmmm… that it is very good
[21:23] <Miguel> I believe that a device that has good storage capcidad (in Gb, non megas)
[21:24] <Miguel> more a screen of high definition that me pemita to see docuemtnos of several types (similar to what we have today) or
[21:24] <Miguel> inclusive a little bigger. that it integrates different types of conectividad local and personal simultanemanete
21:24] <ScoutBuck> <Montalvo> he/she Asks: “The corporate of PalmOne in
21:24] <ScoutBuck> <Montalvo> he/she Asks: “PalmOne
[21:25] <Miguel> cellular high-speed… nets that soon will be available
[21:25] <Miguel> ok…
[21:25] <Miguel> the first one…
[21:26] <Miguel> palmOne is an extremely versatile and adaptive company
[21:26] <Miguel> we are adapantandos to a more aggressive competitive atmosphere
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21:27] <Miguel> although making are also
[21:27] <Miguel> a database of about 3000 developers in
[21:27] <Miguel> with a briefcase of the main 50 companies with those that we have contact
[21:28] <ScoutBuck> <maxtOr> if I believe a communication system for a palm (does hardware)y want to market it there is not problem with the company palm I should request some type off or something like that???
[21:28] <ScoutBuck> <maxtOr> that there is of
[21:29] <Miguel> maxt0r, if you participate of the programs of palmsource developers and palmOne,
[21:29] <Miguel> there is not any problmea, inclusive your solution can be certified
[21:29] <Miguel> and obetenr support in the commercialization
[21:29] <ScoutBuck> cancún Leo, asks
[21:29] <ScoutBuck> <Leo> have I seen as certain companies they have personal of promotion in the sale points, does this make many buyers to opt for the teams that offer them, although the specifications and are advantages in many unreal occasions, has not PalmOne thought of something similar, but with qualified personnel?
[21:30] <Miguel> If we count with personal of demonstration in some sale points, but
[21:30] <Miguel> given the geographical limitation, they are concentrated, in
[21:33] <Abe> Miguel: that you say about the work that has been elaborating in PDA Mexico?
[21:34] <Miguel> Abe, I not answer you alone for me, but to name of the whole palmOne team
[21:35] <Miguel> and it is that we recognize the tremendous work and the effort of the whole group
[21:35] <Miguel> we know that what you have made
21:36] <Miguel> during this time it plays an important paper in that we reach our more important goal
[21:36] <Miguel> that is the one of creating a culture of mobile computation in our country and in our region, latinoamerica
21:37] <ScoutBuck> <erodred> do I Believe that the market of tablet pc, Palmone something is growing he/she is making to compete with this or is not it considering it as competition?
[21:37] <Miguel> really, many thanks to all, in particular to Abe, Ricardo, Samuel, for the support during this time.
[21:39] <ScoutBuck> Because well, we thank to Miguel Hernández having given us this time to communicate with him, Abe will open the channel so that they can put its comments or that region of Mexico or of the world they are
[21:39] <ScoutBuck> Miguel, again thank you for the support
[21:39] <Miguel> thanks to all, good night
[21:40] <TaYo> thank you miguel
[21:40] <ScoutBuck> the Mexican users of pdas Palm is giving You that to speak
[21:40] <Abe> thanks to you Miguel
[21:40] <Aegis_Focker> your comments were excellent:)
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[21:40] <yin> very interesting
21:40] <rreynoso> thank you Miguel
[21:40] <yin> thank you
[21:40] <Abe> cd. Juárez, Chihuahua
[21:40] * TaYo Tlalnepantla, Edo of Mex
[21:40] <Aleks> thank you
[21:40] <David> Thank you Miguel
[21:40] <Axiutli> Greetings to all from
[21:40] <maxtOr> THANK YOU MIGUEL….. GREETINGS FROM TUXTLA GUTIÉRREZ
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[21:40] <I Read> Many thank you…
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[21:40] <Montalvo> Thank you! Greetings from
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[21:40] <palmaggita> thank you for your time, maggy,
[21:40] <yin> Naucalpan, State of
[21:41] <mavv33> Greetings from
[21:41] <wolf> thank you for all the information, Miguel
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[21:41] <I Read> From the beautiful Beaches of Cancun, quintana Roo…. (perfect for National Meetings);)
[21:41] <Montoya-Colima> Thank you Miguel, Tree, Colima (Although I am of Naucalpan)
[21:41] <Aleks> Aleks from the same beautiful beaches, but in
[21:42] <Miguel> thanks to all, very good luck!!!!
[21:42] <jcstraffon> Thank you from
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[21:42] <Edlimagno> we will Wait but news of you soon Miguel
[21:42] <palmaggita> and another chat also: P
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[21:43] <maxtOr> thank you miguel… you take care and luck in your work;)
[21:43] <tlaxcala> greetings from Tlaxcala
[21:43] <erodred> Thank you for your time Miguel
[21:43] <tlaxcala> Palm, to the service of the education
[21:44] <palmaggita> they need to be but evangelixados there
[21:44] <palmaggita> evangelized: P
[21:44] <Edlimagno> Tlaxcala who is?
[21:44] <David> Miguel waits for you in the National Meeting
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[21:45] <palmaggita> siii that he/she goes that he/she goes!
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